Exclusive Interview With the Director of Afghanistan’s Biggest News Channel

NEW DELHI—Lotfullah Najafizada, is the Director of Afghanistan’s biggest news broadcaster, the TOLONews. At 33 he has seen things closely in his war-torn country—death threats, deaths,  injuries to his employees, and accolades for fearless journalism.

The Epoch Times talked with Kabul-based Najafizada over the phone about his thoughts on the current situation in Afghanistan after President Joe Biden declared the drawdown of the American troops by Sept. 11.

“I think Afghans are pro-engagement, pro-partnership, where the U.S. and the Afghan leaders are saying that there is going to be a new chapter in the partnership with the U.S.,” said Najafizada in reply to what Afghans would like to communicate with Biden at this point.

“We don’t know how the new chapter is gonna look like. It’s not really explained; explained well! But I think the Afghan people are for partnership, not with just the U.S. but with everyone. Because we’ve seen the cost of isolation. And that price is very, very high.”

Without a consolidated Afghanistan, its people, particularly its younger generation will be isolated from the rest of the world, according to Najafizada, who comes from a family of journalists.

“And for that, we need to work together, we need [to work together] with everyone at the global stage. And Afghans are, I think, quite determined about it,” he said. “We have a say because we are one side of the table. and I think our say is very simple. We are fighting on behalf of ourselves and for the security of the world in one of the most difficult areas of the world.”

The terrorists are not just targeting Afghans but want an opportunity to attack people beyond the borders, according to Najafizada.

“These people who are here, they are enemies of India, enemies of China, enemies of Russia, enemies of the U.S. and the West. And enemies of Iran,” he said adding that Afghans will play their role in case of a fight.

Relatives mourn the victims of May 8’s explosion during a mass funeral ceremony in Kabul, Afghanistan, on May 9, 2021. (Stringer/Reuters)

The China Angle

When asked if the new situation in Afghanistan will lead to a new  “Great Game” with China replacing the former USSR, Najafizada said he doesn’t see anybody replacing the support the American administration is giving to his country.

“I don’t think that China is really that aggressive when it comes to their Afghanistan policies. Only four to five billion dollars a year is needed to fund the Afghan security forces, another three to four billion dollars are given to the civilian budget, mostly by the U.S. I know that the U.S. troops are leaving, but that support continues until 2024,” he said. The United States and China are two big global powers and have competing interests, he said, but he doesn’t think Afghanistan is their top region of competition.

“I don’t see any power in the region or beyond to be able to either afford it or be willing to do that too, even if they have the money,” he said.

By the time the American troops leave by September the region has to decide together whether it wants to “deal with a civil war next door, or all of us, join hands and then we make peace. Before the soldiers leave.”

China’s international English-language cable TV news service, CGTN reported that Chinese State Councilor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi in a recent conversation with the Afghan Foreign Minister Mohammad Haneef Atmar expressed Beijing’s willingness to help Afghanistan strengthen its anti-terrorism capacities.

But Najafizada said he doesn’t see Chinese troops inside Afghanistan. “I don’t think the partnership or collaboration with China is that strong. I don’t think that it will be at any time in the near future.”

Afghans feel concerned about the reports about human rights violations inside Xinjiang, he said.

“We are unhappy about it as Muslims, as human beings. I think Afghans have been quite vocal about it, of all the reports and violations of human rights that we hear in that part of China, which is neighboring Afghanistan, by the way.”

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Afghans stand near to a mosque after a bomb exploded in Shakar Dara district of Kabul, Afghanistan, on May 14, 2021. (Rahmat Gul/AP Photo)

Regional Issues and Influences

Najafizda said the conflict is a problem of Afghan people first but since the persisting issues are regional, the country needs regional and global support for the resolution.

“There are many international terrorist organizations that we fight, not just for ourselves, but for the security of all members of the international community, India included. So, for that, we need regional support and international support,” he said.

“I mean, this is an unfortunate case of conflict with regional reasons and roots for a very long time. So this is first a problem for Afghans because we pay the ultimate price. Then it’s a problem for the region, then it is a problem for the world.”

No one should be able to use the Afghan soil to plan a 9-11 ever again, said Najafizada. “Nobody should feel threatened by the Afghans. For that, we need collective efforts for peace.”

Afghanistan shares a border with Pakistan including the disputed region of Gilgit-Baltistan that Pakistan controls and India claims, and through which China is building the China Pakistan Economic Corridor Project. It also shares borders with Iran, the three Central Asian countries of Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and Tajikistan, and a short border with Xinjiang.

Najafizada said all regional countries that share borders with Afghanistan have some influence over the situation in the country.

“I think all regional countries, including Iran, including Pakistan, are quite influential, you cannot rule that out,” he said when asked if there are Iranian proxies inside Afghanistan.

“I can’t go onto the extent to explain or provide evidence that there are proxies, as you said, in the government, or elsewhere in society, of course, we’re neighbors, with all of these countries we will have ties,” said Najafizada.

“We share language, religion, and there are similarities. And then there are common interests. And then there are gestures and goodwill, emotional connections, those are there. And these are powerful countries.”

Since the regional powers are involved and have influence over the situation inside Afghanistan—it should be leveraged for peace.

“Because they know they will benefit from peace more than they benefit from war. Especially now that the international troops are leaving. So this is a window of opportunity for all of them, or Iran, or Pakistan, or India, or Russia, for China. For all of these big-big players, just next door,” said Najafizada.

He said the region involves historical adversaries and Afghanistan has to make sure that it is not used against any of its neighbors.

“That’s the message to all immediate neighbors and far neighbors. So I think that is quite visible that that principle had not been hurt,” he said in reply to a question about reports on India-Pakistan rivalry heating up inside Afghanistan.

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File image of U.S. special representative for Afghan peace and reconciliation Zalmay Khalilzad (L) gestures as he speaks during a forum with Afghan director of TOLO news Lotfullah Najafizada (R), at the Tolo TV station in Kabul on April 28, 2019. (WAKIL KOHSAR/AFP via Getty Images)

The Afghan Narrative

As a country ravaged by war, dependent on aid, and currently facing instability after the troop withdrawal announcement, The Epoch Times asked Najafizada about Afghanistan’s own narrative amidst trending regional and global opinions.

“I think the Afghan narrative is that the country has to figure out, solve problems—find solutions for it,” he said adding that the Afghan people are very “resilient” and have demonstrated it in the past forty years of conflict.

“We have not separated as a nation. We have not! We’ve paid a huge price. Powers have come and gone and abandoned and intervened and invaded us. But I think the Afghan nation as a whole, they have been quite persistent.”

Najafizada said he’s talking about this narrative as someone who’s in Kabul, who has been raised here, and who has seen it all.

“I’m quite optimistic. It doesn’t mean it’s not going to be difficult. I’m not saying how Afghanistan’s history is going to judge the U.S. intervention,” he said.

“Or how the world will see the last 20 years from a western perspective because that’s a western issue. But the Afghan issue is that we’ve seen a lot of ups and downs. I think this year is going to be very, very critical. Hopefully, we can make a political settlement with the Taliban, and that will be a positive thing. If not, I’m afraid that it will be more bloodshed and fighting.”

Najafizada said the Afghans are determined to do their own things for peace.  He said the war is not good, it has been going on for so long, and it must “end.”

“This is not good. This is actually, this is quite frustrating,” said Najafizada.  “It’s very difficult for people. The past two or three generations—all they’ve seen is violence and bloodshed.”

He said he has personally experienced it—his earliest childhood memory is of the early years of the 1990s when a rocket landed at his family home in Kabul and while growing up he lived in different Afghan cities fleeing conflict.

He said he’s not trying to paint a “rosy picture,” but he’s trying to emphasize that there’s no other option but to work for peace under any circumstances.

Najafizada said he dreams of a democratic Afghanistan that’s capable of playing a constructive role in the global arena.

“We fight for Afghanistan, [to] be a democratic country, a very constructive player on the globalist stage; friendly relationships with the rest of the world. Prosperous at home, where girls, children, women, minorities, have equal rights,” he said.

“And this is the Afghanistan that when we envision and we work tirelessly to get there. We have come a long way in the past 20 years. We will continue to do that. So that’s why I’m here and that’s why we do what we do.”

This article is the second in the series “Afghanistan’s Changing Situation Amid U.S. Troop Withdrawal,” in which The Epoch Times speaks with global analysts, lawmakers, thought leaders, and ordinary citizens within Afghanistan to gather a wider perspective on the situation inside the country. The first article may be read here.

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